[leglug-users] BSD vs Linux, 1st machine and general knwoledge question

[BashLogic]

denys,
thou this is only a couple of angles you emphasized on in this big
picture, it is very true what you said. but regarding opensolaris,
well there is another angle to that as well (one of many others) that
is that the new development in the OS and its features was hard to
keep pace with and in addition they couldnt keep "closing out" the GNU
tools form being deployed on solaris systems, any modern environment
that runs solaris also has gnu and opensource running on it. if they
would have kept it close, then they would have not had the upper hand
with corporates anymore. another angle is the x86 growth, sun
microsystems has had the need to expand to the x86 platforms and
making solaris be open was one of the easier methods of achieving
this, hence have people develop required drivers etc etc without
having to do the whole development inhouse.

@all
competition more than ever is driving into opensource in one form or
another, if not to have opensource based then it is to have the
opensource of the custom made applications etc. if you look at the
global ISP industry, you will find out that their existance is mostly
due to the existance of opensource and its fexibility which makes
things easier to achieve. hell i recall about 8 years back a local isp
replicated user accounts across various hosts just by using different
simple gnu tools and scripts instead of highend directories. the
flexibility that served them then made them become on of the leading
operators in then country.

Regards
BL


On 3/4/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> About open source/vs proprietary code and security.
> Thats all simple. If with open-source you have always capability to know
> everything about your software, with proprietary, if you are not author of
> code, there is always person who know vulnerabilities better than you.
>
> About physical security, they are wrong. Totally wrong. I can run server in
> enemy location (if i want to do it), and it will be VERY
> difficult to crack it. But sure, if he shutdown it, he will need my presence
> to run it back (or it must be connected to Internet, but it will be less
> secure, and there is ways to crack). And also there is still way, if he have
> equipment to read bytes from FSB/memory bus/etc. As i know, not each country
> secret police have such equipment, it is very expensive and complicated. I
> had a bit experience with it, when i was working with Sat TV (oh, yes, sweety
> old Viaccess). But that guys working even on researching power consumption
> changes, when they write commands to smart-card processor, to understand,
> what
> it is doing with memory.
>
> The important thing of open-source is not that everybody can understand what
> it is doing. Important thing, open-source projects, if they are really need
> for people, have longer life, and dont depend on single developer/company. It
> can be supported/fixed also by community, and community will understand what
> is happening in software, and can help main developer. This is a key of
> success, and Sun for example, understood that, and did OpenSolaris.
>
> The problem, that OpenSource is less comfortable for "home use", that
> commercial companies doing everything to turn customers to their side, even
> if it is worst crime. Simple example. My mother is teacher in school, and her
> pupils(correct word?) was always winners in state/city Olympiada of
> informatics (we have like that in ex-USSR). As she told, if before in each
> generation, from 30 kids there was 3-4 very smart guys or girls, now there is
> from 100 kids , pure luck, if one will be a bit smart. And she told, keypoint
> was, when Windows spreaded in schools and home. Kids spending all their
> energy not to learn new things in science, it is spent in useless games, and
> "Drag&Drop" technologies. If you give a monkey easy life, and give banana, it
> will not learn new things. In opposite, there is some area in earth, where is
> because of problems with regular food of monkeys, they had to learn how to
> use something like spear. So it is a crime, that Windows(tm) family software
> creating "degenerated generation". And it is a fact, that they give
> "educational discounts", to cultivate generation of Windows(tm) zombies. Any
> person, who worked on Windows, have similar feelings as the addict, when
> switching from Windows to other OS. I know many kids, in families of
> sysadmins or just linux entusiasts, who are using easily BSD/Linux/etc, and
> they are ALL well developed intellectually. Thats a fact.
> I wish i didnt told piece of bullshit.
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:40:53  0000, Nabil Kabalan wrote
> > hey all, 1st i want 2 express how "proud" i am with all the buzz
> > thats going on ;) my 1st encounter with computers was a Pentium 1,
> > 66Mhz MS-DOS (with windows 3.1) -was that safe 2 say :p- i just want
> > 2 add something about why linux isn't wide spreading as much as it
> > "should", well there are a lot of reasons that Hisham mentioned and
> > are all true on the enterprise level, on the personal level well its
> > bad publicity like this: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10095/1090/
> > and the fact that most people really want a simple system 2 deal
> > with and whether we like it or not they look for something
> > "flashy"/eye candy and suites their needs and interests (take the
> > gamers community for example) most games are NOT supported by
> > linux... my main machine is a Mac simply because it looks nice and i
> > need it to run applications that i work on, but i have a FreeBSD -i
> > favor UNIX over linux- on my machine home. i totally agree with whom
> > said that the only true security is physical security which means
> > that i need to hold on tight to my laptop which makes me look more
> > paranoid than secured :s however i've had this question since my
> > early days with linux and most of whom i asked b4 didn't give me an
> > answer that satisfied me: If a system is open source meaning
> > everyone can get to the source know/understand how it works wouldn't
> > it be easier to "design" a way to crash it? i know that there are
> > crash safe scenarios and safe plans but aren't these also open
> > source? i admit that i want a linux system that is eye candy and a
> > "looker" as much as its functional and flexible, i enjoy playing
> > games on my pc too
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