[leglug-users] BSD vs. Linux

[Jocelyn]

everybody has his opinion his own opinion and his thoughts , yes BSD is
better then Linux sometime but Linux is better then BSD Most Of the time .
we'd rather open an new mailing list guys called
bsd-users at lists.leglug.org, i think we need it don't you :D


Cheers

On 2/28/07, laurent FANIS <laurent.fanis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Looks like flame bait and i haven't slept in two days so i wouldn't
> bother.
> But if you really honestly think that iptables is better then pf then
> you obviously never tried bandwidth shaping and you never had anything
> more then a small home NAT.
> NATting on pf is one line of config you can't really make simpler.
>
> Try IPSec under linux and then drop some comment.
> If the day is slow i will comment on all part of the mail.
>
> Best Laurent.
>
> PS:if you sacrifice you're security and morale (open-source) stand for
> pretty GUI and accelerated X with binary blob then you better put in
> windows at least you won't be a hypocrite.
> You don't complain to vendors do you ? How many email you sent to
> Intel/Atheros/Nvidia/ATI ?
>
> On 2/28/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I will comment some part of mail, and at the end will give my pluses of
> Linux.
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:48:16 +0200, Hisham Mardam Bey wrote
> > > I decided to run FreeBSD on my laptop because around 18 months ago
> > > when I bought it, getting the wireless adapter to work on Linux
> > > proved cumbersome, between kernel crap, firmware, etc... A quick
> > > look at FreeBSD showed me that all the hardware was fully supported
> > > "out of the box".
> > My new computer, with I965 chipset is not supported well on FreeBSD,
> ATAPI on
> > Marvell PATA chip (embedded to Mb, only one PATA bus by the way) not
> working
> > well. System just hangs on atapicam.
> > FreeBSD missing 64-bit drivers for Nvidia. No monitoring mode for Intel
> > wireless (2200). There is no option for Hibernate/Software suspend (very
> > useful to restore fast laptop and to save when battery is almost out).
> No
> > graphical installer (sometimes required for beginners and just to
> impress
> > people). While on Linux, let's say debian, you can find more than 20000
> > packages, for FreeBSD
> >
> > Linux on old kernels even working well, if kernel dont have even support
> for
> > Marvell PATA chipset, there is a flag (smth like all-generic-ide),
> usually it
> > happen with installation CD's, and then i just upgrade kernel to latest,
> and
> > it works without any workarounds.
> >
> >
> > > a remote installation option, making it a la apt). So between
> excellent
> > > hardware support, a stable and secure system, wonderful package
> > > installation options, and the largest (i think its the largest)
> > > package collection on the planet, whats not to love? (> > 16500 ports in the end of 2006
> > Debian + apt-get.org > >
> > > I have been researching and building this set up for the past year,
> > > and to tell you the truth, Linux has not been the best pick. I am
> > > finding myself more and more inclined to go with OpenBSD for
> > > everything these days. The OpenBSD team has a very high commitment to
> > > security, making things work well, and their concept of a hackathlon,
> > > something they do every few months, is wonderful (they all gather in
> > > a certain country and decide to completely finish a certain function
> > > / subset of the OS that is lacking).
> > >
> >
> > Just things what i DONT like in OpenBSD. FreeBSD since my last tries of
> > "stable" brances in 5.x, and it is paniced on some new hardware in
> > installation, i just dont take serious. Maybe i will check it soon...
> but for
> > now i dont see reason to do that.
> >
> > 1)Much less than Linux drivers. For example no drivers at all for DVB
> cards.
> > There is no support for modern Atheros chipsets (AR5413 - at Jan 23 b
> mode
> > still was broken)
> > 2)Low performance. Just when you really face real challenge, you will
> see big
> > difference, between Linux and others. Even just look old syntetic
> benchmarks
> > http://www.benzedrine.cx/pf-paper.html . iptables much better than pf.
> And
> > right now i am running hardware really close to it's limits. (for
> example
> > 300+ req/s on proxies with compression enabled, loaded Gbit/s interfaces
> with
> > Netflow + stateful filtering + QoS and etc).
> > 3)Lack of advanced features. Just example. Now maybe it appears, but on
> linux
> > since long time ago if i have two IP on interface, let's say 1.1.1.1/32and
> > 2.2.2.2/24, my default gw 2.2.2.1, and i want when i request let's say
> > www.google.com (let's say ip will be ip 3.3.3.3), source address to be
> > 1.1.1.1. On linux, without NAT (!important) i can do just
> > ip route add 3.3.3.3/32 via 2.2.2.1 src 1.1.1.1
> > 4)Is there stable journaling filesystem, or still it is in stone age?
> With
> > lebanese electricity problem it is very actual subject.
> > 5)As i know not complete Speedstep support (actual for Core 2 Duo and
> Pentium
> > M laptops).
> > 6)I feel it will be impossible to setup properly Nvidia TwinView in my
> > difficult configuration (DVI + Analog VGA - 19' LCD + HDTV LCD 1080i).
> > 7)It is just zoo. If on linux i can have all different features of
> different
> > distro's in one(mainly because kernel is same), on *BSD it is different
> > animals, and features from NetBSD cannot be moved to OpenBSD easily.
> Let's
> > say if you like netgraph in FreeBSD and open-sources atheros driver of
> > OpenBSD, you cannot have both features in one PC.
> >
> > For now thats all. Linux sometimes dont have some advanced features of
> > *BSD(if it is critical, you can hire developer and implement it), but in
> > complete view much more powerful than BSD.
> >
> > --
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> >
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