[leglug-users] BSD vs. Linux

[laurent FANIS]

Hi
Looks like flame bait and i haven't slept in two days so i wouldn't bother.
But if you really honestly think that iptables is better then pf then
you obviously never tried bandwidth shaping and you never had anything
more then a small home NAT.
NATting on pf is one line of config you can't really make simpler.

Try IPSec under linux and then drop some comment.
 If the day is slow i will comment on all part of the mail.

Best Laurent.

PS:if you sacrifice you're security and morale (open-source) stand for
pretty GUI and accelerated X with binary blob then you better put in
windows at least you won't be a hypocrite.
You don't complain to vendors do you ? How many email you sent to
Intel/Atheros/Nvidia/ATI ?

On 2/28/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I will comment some part of mail, and at the end will give my pluses of Linux.
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:48:16 +0200, Hisham Mardam Bey wrote
> > I decided to run FreeBSD on my laptop because around 18 months ago
> > when I bought it, getting the wireless adapter to work on Linux
> > proved cumbersome, between kernel crap, firmware, etc... A quick
> > look at FreeBSD showed me that all the hardware was fully supported
> > "out of the box".
> My new computer, with I965 chipset is not supported well on FreeBSD, ATAPI on
> Marvell PATA chip (embedded to Mb, only one PATA bus by the way) not working
> well. System just hangs on atapicam.
> FreeBSD missing 64-bit drivers for Nvidia. No monitoring mode for Intel
> wireless (2200). There is no option for Hibernate/Software suspend (very
> useful to restore fast laptop and to save when battery is almost out). No
> graphical installer (sometimes required for beginners and just to impress
> people). While on Linux, let's say debian, you can find more than 20000
> packages, for FreeBSD
>
> Linux on old kernels even working well, if kernel dont have even support for
> Marvell PATA chipset, there is a flag (smth like all-generic-ide), usually it
> happen with installation CD's, and then i just upgrade kernel to latest, and
> it works without any workarounds.
>
>
> > a remote installation option, making it a la apt). So between excellent
> > hardware support, a stable and secure system, wonderful package
> > installation options, and the largest (i think its the largest)
> > package collection on the planet, whats not to love? (=
> 16500 ports in the end of 2006
> Debian + apt-get.org = over 20000
>
> > I have been researching and building this set up for the past year,
> > and to tell you the truth, Linux has not been the best pick. I am
> > finding myself more and more inclined to go with OpenBSD for
> > everything these days. The OpenBSD team has a very high commitment to
> > security, making things work well, and their concept of a hackathlon,
> > something they do every few months, is wonderful (they all gather in
> > a certain country and decide to completely finish a certain function
> > / subset of the OS that is lacking).
> >
>
> Just things what i DONT like in OpenBSD. FreeBSD since my last tries of
> "stable" brances in 5.x, and it is paniced on some new hardware in
> installation, i just dont take serious. Maybe i will check it soon... but for
> now i dont see reason to do that.
>
> 1)Much less than Linux drivers. For example no drivers at all for DVB cards.
> There is no support for modern Atheros chipsets (AR5413 - at Jan 23 b mode
> still was broken)
> 2)Low performance. Just when you really face real challenge, you will see big
> difference, between Linux and others. Even just look old syntetic benchmarks
> http://www.benzedrine.cx/pf-paper.html . iptables much better than pf. And
> right now i am running hardware really close to it's limits. (for example
> 300+ req/s on proxies with compression enabled, loaded Gbit/s interfaces with
> Netflow + stateful filtering + QoS and etc).
> 3)Lack of advanced features. Just example. Now maybe it appears, but on linux
> since long time ago if i have two IP on interface, let's say 1.1.1.1/32 and
> 2.2.2.2/24, my default gw 2.2.2.1, and i want when i request let's say
> www.google.com (let's say ip will be ip 3.3.3.3), source address to be
> 1.1.1.1. On linux, without NAT (!important) i can do just
> ip route add 3.3.3.3/32 via 2.2.2.1 src 1.1.1.1
> 4)Is there stable journaling filesystem, or still it is in stone age? With
> lebanese electricity problem it is very actual subject.
> 5)As i know not complete Speedstep support (actual for Core 2 Duo and Pentium
> M laptops).
> 6)I feel it will be impossible to setup properly Nvidia TwinView in my
> difficult configuration (DVI + Analog VGA - 19' LCD + HDTV LCD 1080i).
> 7)It is just zoo. If on linux i can have all different features of different
> distro's in one(mainly because kernel is same), on *BSD it is different
> animals, and features from NetBSD cannot be moved to OpenBSD easily. Let's
> say if you like netgraph in FreeBSD and open-sources atheros driver of
> OpenBSD, you cannot have both features in one PC.
>
> For now thats all. Linux sometimes dont have some advanced features of
> *BSD(if it is critical, you can hire developer and implement it), but in
> complete view much more powerful than BSD.
>
> --
> Virtual ISP S.A.L.
>
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