[leglug-users] BSD vs. Linux

Abdallah abdallah.deeb at gmail.com
Tue Feb 27 04:22:02 EST 2007 

OK, let's think about it for a bit. On what criteria do you base your OS choice?

for me it was one of two things:
1- Mood
2- Work needs

Talking about the later, if you run linux on your laptop you can't
force the company(ies) you're working with to stop using OS/2 and
switch over! It's outdated, it's ugly, etc... it doesn't matter, they
spent a lot of money to buy it so they won't switch over just because
someone says so... So, along the years, I've had to deal with the
whole Windows family (the interface and the API) while working for
many companies in Lebanon and outside. Why am I not one of the lucky
ones who get to choose the OS for their clients? or get to work on
high-end systems for a living? I guess we're not all born with a gold
plated RAM on our motherboard.

Now, to go back to the first criterion, I admit I've been able to run
Linux on my laptop on and off for year. It's the main OS on the laptop
these days (gentoo). Why is it dependent on mood? Well, simply because
sometimes you have the stamina to fix everything manually and get
things running in a couple of keystrokes, and sometimes, you simply
want to get things happening easier for the "others" who would use the
computer...

Will I switch to *bsd? why not! Will I have to go over a couple of
hundred pages to get started? Dunno, I'll ask the pros... is it gentoo
all over again? hisham?

On 2/26/07, Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com> wrote:
> i do agree also while , knowing that there is a difference between BSD and
> GPL licenses  ;) leglug still GNU/Linux users Group.
>
> for me choosing an OS it depends on 2 issues functionality and philosophy
> unfortunately that windows is not counted does not have both :D.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On 2/26/07, Wissam Youssef <kodder at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > does it matter?
> > as long as we are not a windows users group, it will be fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/26/07, BashLogic < bashlogic at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > If people would give it some thought, i would say OpenSource that
> > > inlcudes Linux, *bsd, OpenSolaris etc.
> > >
> > > OpenSource is the name of the game regardless of whether it has or has
> > > not commercial presences.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > BL
> > >
> > > On 2/26/07, Jocelyn < jhabib at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > so what are we now unix users group or linux users group.
> > > >
> > > > day3touna
> > > >
> > > > :D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/21/07, laurent FANIS < laurent.fanis at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > On 2/21/07, Hisham Mardam Bey < hisham.mardambey at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Abdallah,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2/21/07, Abdallah Deeb < abdallah.deeb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > How about a holy war? I miss the old days!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, from a prev. email
> > > > > > > laurent FANIS wrote:
> > > > > > > > BTW are you going to desert us (oBSD) for FreeBSD ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That was me asking Hisham if he is deserting OpenBSD to FreeBSD.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I thought this was a Linux mailing list ={
> > > > > >
> > > > > Yeah sorry about that but i think all the llug/leglug/whatever
> should
> > > > > be Unix User Group
> > > > > So that pointless arguments are put aside.
> > > > >
> > > > > > ::{ hisham at gaia (11:34:08) - ~ }::
> > > > > > .oOo. uname -a
> > > > > > FreeBSD gaia.mardambey.net 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri
> Jan
> > > > > > 12 10:40:27 UTC 2007
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I decided to run FreeBSD on my laptop because around 18 months ago
> > > > > > when I bought it, getting the wireless adapter to work on Linux
> proved
> > > > > > cumbersome, between kernel crap, firmware, etc... A quick look at
> > > > > > FreeBSD showed me that all the hardware was fully supported "out
> of
> > > > > > the box". The end result was me installing FreeBSD 6.0, and I am
> > > > > > running 6.2 there today, using their wonderful method of binary
> diffs
> > > > > > for upgrades. FreeBSD's ports system was an instant favorite of
> mine,
> > > > > > and if I didn't want to compile from source, I could always
> install
> > > > > > binaries using pkg_add (it also follows dependencies and has a
> remote
> > > > > > installation option, making it a la apt). So between excellent
> > > > > > hardware support, a stable and secure system, wonderful package
> > > > > > installation options, and the largest (i think its the largest)
> > > > > > package collection on the planet, whats not to love? (=
> > > > > >
> > > > > > root at be1.gcg.com ~ # uname -a
> > > > > > OpenBSD be1.gcg.com 3.9 GENERIC#720 i386
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In regard to my server installs here and there, and at my latest
> job
> > > > > > (a wireless ISP in Bissau, Africa), OpenBSD has been an
> indispensable
> > > > > > operating system. From its amazing firewall PF, to its wonderful
> > > > > > queueing system (ALTQ), failover capabilities (CARP), wireless
> support
> > > > > > and tools, and its increased out of the box security, OpenBSD is
> the
> > > > > > way to go in scenarios such as this one. OpenBSD also uses ports
> for
> > > > > > package installs, and has specific hardened installs for things
> like
> > > > > > apache, squid, OpenOSPFD, OpenBGPD, OpenCVS (soon), and various
> > > > >
> > > > > I think in 4.1 they removed completly any GNU CVS code replaced with
> > > > > OpenCVS and OpenRCS.
> > > > >
> > > > > > others. The OpenBSD team is redefining code-level security in the
> way
> > > > > > they audit every little part of their code. OpenBSD is also an
> amazing
> > > > > > choice when it comes to embedded routers. bridges, and firewalls.
> It
> > > > > > is one of the unix-like operating systems with the most number of
> > > > > > supported wireless cards, and things like hostapd make it an
> > > > > > indispensable resource if you want things like fast client roaming
> > > > > > support on your network.
> > > > > Don't forget IPSec which is 4 line of config to set up a secure
> > > > > connection compared topages of config on linux/other-OS and about a
> > > > > hundred click on windows :D.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have been researching and building this set up for the past
> year,
> > > > > > and to tell you the truth, Linux has not been the best pick. I am
> > > > > > finding myself more and more inclined to go with OpenBSD for
> > > > > > everything these days. The OpenBSD team has a very high commitment
> to
> > > > > > security, making things work well, and their concept of a
> hackathlon,
> > > > > > something they do every few months, is wonderful (they all gather
> in a
> > > > > > certain country and decide to completely finish a certain function
> /
> > > > > > subset of the OS that is lacking).
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And great conventions with a lot of beer and good food, don't forget
> > > > > stickers and posters :D.
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is what I have to say about the subject for now. Let the wars
> > > > begin! (=
> > > > > There is enough war in the world. But thanks for making a thread for
> > > > > it so people can now safely ignore my ranting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > hisham.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Hisham Mardam Bey
> > > > > > MSc (Computer Science)
> > > > > > http://hisham.cc/
> > > > > > +9613609386
> > > > > > Codito Ergo Sum (I Code Therefore I Am)
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