[leglug-users] WEEKLY THEME TOPIC: Virtual appliances

[BashLogic]

there is truth to the background that you say,
personally i have not gone to such extent of coding and barelly can achieve a
hello world on my shell :).

it is an ongoing issue where commercial companies provide only compiled images
to embeded devices as you reffered to and that market is ever growing
about to go ten
folds what it is now within the comming years.

putting the question of ethics aside, could you give a simpler example
to other people, a small step by step that others could try to learn
from. for example, how to read data of a memory page for an object?
lets say for example a user creates several shell variables
that could be made visible by simple echo $foobar. but instead, have a
small step by step on how it can be read of the suspended ram image
containing the memory pages. this is an academic & intelectual request
none more. my point is more for others to learn the tricks that not
many are familiar with of low level coding and debuging thru hooks
etc.

regards
BL

On 2/13/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> When you need to crack program, yes. But when you need to crack OS, and
> additionally it is running for example on MIPS/ARM arch, you need to do
> emulation of all environment. There is no other way than Virtual Appliances.
>
> And it is absolutely legitimate, i am using this technologies usually when
> some "nice" company provide binary solution, based on GPL code, and they dont
> want follow GPL, and didnt provide sources. Simplest example: broadband
> routers.
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:26:59  0200, BashLogic wrote
> > This is true
> >
> > a similar concept of analyzing crashdumps and hooking achieves the
> > same, some even mirror the ram to get a snapshot of it, anyhow not a
> > simple thing. as you described, what you mentiened can be done with
> > ease. as long as you know how to handle memory pages and stuff and
> > how to read live hexa codes ;)
> >
> > but what about giving us an example on how it serves you in
> > legitimate cases :)
> >
> > regards
> > BL
> >
> > On 2/13/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I am using qemu to crack/hack software/OS. Especially when (file)system is
> > > encrypted, password/key protected, etc etc etc. I just run it in qemu, and
> > > all interesting info there. Plus i can suspend machine, patch memory, and
> run
> > > it again, to see results.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:26:40  0200, BashLogic wrote
> > > > Are you familiar with virtual appliances? what do you think of them?
> > > >
> > > > ( for those who are not aware check:
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_appliance )
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > RULEZ:
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > - Stick to the topic
> > > > - if you are mentioning something that might be new to others, please
> > > > use links for refference
> > > > - Dont be agressive in discussions (ill try to remember that ;) )
> > > > - use your imagination
> > > > - give examples that are easy for others to comprehend
> > > >
> > > > ----SNIP----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ## PRO:
> > > > BashLogic: Conquer & Devide! great for ISP hosting or application
> > > > platform segregation and capsulation.
> > > >
> > > > ----SNIP----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ## CONN:
> > > > BashLogic: good and reliable underlying hardware are expensive.
> > > >
> > > > ----SNIP----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ## Proposal:
> > > > BashLogic: test it, try it, love it or leave it!
> > > > ----SNIP----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ## Query:
> > > > BashLogic: who has worked with Virtualization technologies and at
> > > > what level, desktops? servers? datacenters?
> > > > ----SNIP----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
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