[leglug-users] Advice on phones

Denys (VISP) nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com
Thu Apr 26 15:50:07 EDT 2007 

We must not take middle solution/compromise. We have to lobby pure Linux GPL
compliant phone.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:12:02 +0300, BashLogic wrote
> yep,
> 
> i have heard a lot of the same, that is why the symbian coders are
> considered to be a rare species,
> 
> there have been lots of pro/con text relating to that, some say that
> nokia is trying standardize and make things easier but other
> shareholders always block it. and others state that thou it seems to
> be hard to code a bit as you reffered, the reason for that 
> appearently is optimization? cant say, i aint a coder and havent 
> tried, but i guess that is maybe why nokia brought the python addon 
> option to newer s60 to make things a bit easier..a friend has 
> fiddled with the emulator and said that it works great, dunno.
> 
> i guess it would be made easier after 3-5g networks become more 
> common and the need for network applications would increase, so far 
> they have remained minimal.
> 
> T. BL
> 
> On 4/26/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Development for Symbian is total mess. I tried to port my linux apps -
> > fail. Tools is rare, there is some, but console apps and just plain C -
> > there is problems with porting, symbian have specific  way of working with
> > sockets and GUI.
> > I am searching as Naim, smth powerful, and Linux powered. And sure GPL
> > compliant, and without TPM modules, so i can customize firmware.
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:07:05 +0300, Alaa Salman wrote
> >
> > > I have a 9300i and you might be interested in that. It was not what i was
> > hoping for, but it is all i could find for a reasonable price. +1 for palm
> > but they were too expensive for me at the time.
> > >
> > > 9300i is meant for productivity on the road so no camera or dancing cow or
> > any of that.(and not for prestige)
> > >
> > > Its platform is not bad. I got it because i can improve it when i want to.
> > So even if nokia doesn't distribute its sync application for Linux, you can
> > always write a small client on the desktop and a small server on the phone
> > and use the wlan or the bluetooh stack. It won't be easy, but there's a lot
> > of documentation so you can do it as a fun project.
> > >
> > > By the way, symbian has recently(about 3 months ago) updated its offering
> > and implemented some POSIX libraries. So this should give you a better(more
> > familiar) environment to implement or port Linux apps. It was supposed to
> > offer it as .sis package(similar to .deb) but i didn't check yet.
> > >
> > > So if you can't find anything you like(which is what happened to me), be
> > sure to get something you can extend yourself.
> > >
> > > The openmoko platform is very very interesting but i am waiting for a
> > while for it to get better market acceptance.
> > >
> > > On 4/26/07, BashLogic <bashlogic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > yep, i agree with edmond,
> > > >
> > > > I as well have used various digital diaries, casio, palm etc. the last
> > > > few years ive used the nokia communicator and the E61, they have been
> > > > sufficient to open dispatched attachments and to be able to log and
> > > > browse thru the net by either using WLAN or highspeed data
> > > > connections. both have more than sufficed in my use, doing a quick
> > > > browse online, using ssh to do minor tasks when needed and a fair
> > > > calendar.
> > > > the only burden ive experienced is that the devices are cumbersome on
> > > > shape and size to hold all the time so that makes having a bluetooth
> > > > more than appropriate.
> > > > it was fun for a shortwhile to use the E61 with VOIP, but the fun was
> > > > cut short and became a burden when changing hotspots, always having to
> > > > reconnect and redial. so the VOIP and mobility didnt really server me
> > > > untill i was making international calls. i bought some credits from
> > > > skype to dialout but then noticed that the sound quality between any
> > > > host in europe and australia was so lousy that i gave up on that
> > > > fun...
> > > >
> > > > still my favorite phone is the second generation Zippo which i still
> > > > use today when i want to disconnect from the digital world, it has all
> > > > main functions of a phone and none more, perfect! i would love the
> > > > 8800, it just costs a fortune ;) so maybe one day but not today.
> > > >
> > > > so if you want to be up to date with smart technology and not the
> > > > ratmaze technology, then get an E61 with a bluetooth set. then you
> > > > will become a fledged road warrior.
> > > >
> > > > if its prestige you want get the communicator 9300i, it has wlan and
> > > > you can even get it in arabic!
> > > >
> > > > if its the ratmaze technology that you like, then get anything that
> > > > you can not find at your local store.
> > > >
> > > > its more of a media fuss by massive market drivers who want linux on
> > > > phones, at the current rate they will never make the actual volume,
> > > > reminds me of the motorola java based phone that was released years
> > > > ago. it was a flop at birth. linux can make it to the device, but not
> > > > necessarily as a techie device, but more of another ratmaze gadget on
> > > > the store shelf.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > BL
> > > >
> > > > On 4/26/07, Edmond < edmond at greencedars.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, naim abu darwish wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, I need to, well more like want to, buy a smart phone / PDA
> > phone,
> > > > > > something like the iMate Jamin  but i dont want to be locked with
> > > > > > closed hardware. Also i need something that i cant break so easily.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me give you my honest ramble on the PDA issue. I have been a PDA
> > > > > user for a long, long time (since the original palmpilot days). In
> > > > > between, I have owned everything from a palm pilot to a treo, with
> > > > > a zaurus running linux in between. While the zaurus certainly had the
> > > > > most tech appeal (and I know a couple of you have one), as far as
> > > > > usability it was the most lacking. Windows mobile is also lacking.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm trying to say is this: if you're buying the device to show
> > > > > it off and to ssh to your home box, then good. But if you're buying it
> > > > > to store and manage your personal information, keep a calendar and
> > > > > appointments, and manage your life's data, then the devices you're
> > > > > looking at are not ready for prime time yet. The best applications
> > > > > (by far) that I've seen until this day are all based on the palm
> > platform.
> > > > > It's not open, but it works and it works well. If you can wait a bit,
> > > > > palm just announced that they are moving to the linux platform. I can
> > > > > see my treo running linux! But it will all depend on whether all the
> > > > > apps will be ported or will run (emulated or not).
> > > > >
> > > > > my $0.02.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also see this:
> > > > >
> >
http://www.theage.com.au/news/phones-pdas/palm-unveils-a-new-foundation/2007/04/11/1175971136619.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >      Edmond
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