[leglug-users] Advice on phones

Thu Apr 26 15:12:02 EDT 2007

yep,

i have heard a lot of the same, that is why the symbian coders are
considered to be a rare species,

there have been lots of pro/con text relating to that, some say that
nokia is trying standardize and make things easier but other
shareholders always block it. and others state that thou it seems to
be hard to code a bit as you reffered, the reason for that appearently
is optimization? cant say, i aint a coder and havent tried, but i
guess that is maybe why nokia brought the python addon option to newer
s60 to make things a bit easier..a friend has fiddled with the
emulator and said that it works great, dunno.

i guess it would be made easier after 3-5g networks become more common
and the need for network applications would increase, so far they have
remained minimal.

T. BL

On 4/26/07, Denys (VISP) <nuclearcat-lelug at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
>
>  Development for Symbian is total mess. I tried to port my linux apps -
> fail. Tools is rare, there is some, but console apps and just plain C -
> there is problems with porting, symbian have specific  way of working with
> sockets and GUI.
> I am searching as Naim, smth powerful, and Linux powered. And sure GPL
> compliant, and without TPM modules, so i can customize firmware.
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:07:05 +0300, Alaa Salman wrote
>
> > I have a 9300i and you might be interested in that. It was not what i was
> hoping for, but it is all i could find for a reasonable price. +1 for palm
> but they were too expensive for me at the time.
> >
> > 9300i is meant for productivity on the road so no camera or dancing cow or
> any of that.(and not for prestige)
> >
> > Its platform is not bad. I got it because i can improve it when i want to.
> So even if nokia doesn't distribute its sync application for Linux, you can
> always write a small client on the desktop and a small server on the phone
> and use the wlan or the bluetooh stack. It won't be easy, but there's a lot
> of documentation so you can do it as a fun project.
> >
> > By the way, symbian has recently(about 3 months ago) updated its offering
> and implemented some POSIX libraries. So this should give you a better(more
> familiar) environment to implement or port Linux apps. It was supposed to
> offer it as .sis package(similar to .deb) but i didn't check yet.
> >
> > So if you can't find anything you like(which is what happened to me), be
> sure to get something you can extend yourself.
> >
> > The openmoko platform is very very interesting but i am waiting for a
> while for it to get better market acceptance.
> >
> > On 4/26/07, BashLogic <bashlogic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > yep, i agree with edmond,
> > >
> > > I as well have used various digital diaries, casio, palm etc. the last
> > > few years ive used the nokia communicator and the E61, they have been
> > > sufficient to open dispatched attachments and to be able to log and
> > > browse thru the net by either using WLAN or highspeed data
> > > connections. both have more than sufficed in my use, doing a quick
> > > browse online, using ssh to do minor tasks when needed and a fair
> > > calendar.
> > > the only burden ive experienced is that the devices are cumbersome on
> > > shape and size to hold all the time so that makes having a bluetooth
> > > more than appropriate.
> > > it was fun for a shortwhile to use the E61 with VOIP, but the fun was
> > > cut short and became a burden when changing hotspots, always having to
> > > reconnect and redial. so the VOIP and mobility didnt really server me
> > > untill i was making international calls. i bought some credits from
> > > skype to dialout but then noticed that the sound quality between any
> > > host in europe and australia was so lousy that i gave up on that
> > > fun...
> > >
> > > still my favorite phone is the second generation Zippo which i still
> > > use today when i want to disconnect from the digital world, it has all
> > > main functions of a phone and none more, perfect! i would love the
> > > 8800, it just costs a fortune ;) so maybe one day but not today.
> > >
> > > so if you want to be up to date with smart technology and not the
> > > ratmaze technology, then get an E61 with a bluetooth set. then you
> > > will become a fledged road warrior.
> > >
> > > if its prestige you want get the communicator 9300i, it has wlan and
> > > you can even get it in arabic!
> > >
> > > if its the ratmaze technology that you like, then get anything that
> > > you can not find at your local store.
> > >
> > > its more of a media fuss by massive market drivers who want linux on
> > > phones, at the current rate they will never make the actual volume,
> > > reminds me of the motorola java based phone that was released years
> > > ago. it was a flop at birth. linux can make it to the device, but not
> > > necessarily as a techie device, but more of another ratmaze gadget on
> > > the store shelf.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > BL
> > >
> > > On 4/26/07, Edmond < edmond at greencedars.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, naim abu darwish wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, I need to, well more like want to, buy a smart phone / PDA
> phone,
> > > > > something like the iMate Jamin  but i dont want to be locked with
> > > > > closed hardware. Also i need something that i cant break so easily.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let me give you my honest ramble on the PDA issue. I have been a PDA
> > > > user for a long, long time (since the original palmpilot days). In
> > > > between, I have owned everything from a palm pilot to a treo, with
> > > > a zaurus running linux in between. While the zaurus certainly had the
> > > > most tech appeal (and I know a couple of you have one), as far as
> > > > usability it was the most lacking. Windows mobile is also lacking.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm trying to say is this: if you're buying the device to show
> > > > it off and to ssh to your home box, then good. But if you're buying it
> > > > to store and manage your personal information, keep a calendar and
> > > > appointments, and manage your life's data, then the devices you're
> > > > looking at are not ready for prime time yet. The best applications
> > > > (by far) that I've seen until this day are all based on the palm
> platform.
> > > > It's not open, but it works and it works well. If you can wait a bit,
> > > > palm just announced that they are moving to the linux platform. I can
> > > > see my treo running linux! But it will all depend on whether all the
> > > > apps will be ported or will run (emulated or not).
> > > >
> > > > my $0.02.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also see this:
> > > >
> http://www.theage.com.au/news/phones-pdas/palm-unveils-a-new-foundation/2007/04/11/1175971136619.html
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >      Edmond
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