[leglug-users] Advice on phones

Thu Apr 26 14:23:20 EDT 2007

Development for Symbian is total mess. I tried to port my linux apps - fail. Tools is rare, there is some, but console apps and just plain C - there is problems with porting, symbian have specific  way of working with sockets and GUI.
I am searching as Naim, smth powerful, and Linux powered. And sure GPL compliant, and without TPM modules, so i can customize firmware.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:07:05 +0300, Alaa Salman wrote
> I have a 9300i and you might be interested in that. It was not what i was hoping for, but it is all i could find for a reasonable price. +1 for palm but they were too expensive for me at the time.
> 
> 9300i is meant for productivity on the road so no camera or dancing cow or any of that.(and not for prestige)
> 
> Its platform is not bad. I got it because i can improve it when i want to. So even if nokia doesn't distribute its sync application for Linux, you can always write a small client on the desktop and a small server on the phone and use the wlan or the bluetooh stack. It won't be easy, but there's a lot of documentation so you can do it as a fun project.
> 
> By the way, symbian has recently(about 3 months ago) updated its offering and implemented some POSIX libraries. So this should give you a better(more familiar) environment to implement or port Linux apps. It was supposed to offer it as .sis package(similar to .deb) but i didn't check yet.
> 
> So if you can't find anything you like(which is what happened to me), be sure to get something you can extend yourself.
> 
> The openmoko platform is very very interesting but i am waiting for a while for it to get better market acceptance.
> 
> On 4/26/07, BashLogic <bashlogic at gmail.com> wrote:yep, i agree with edmond,
> 
> I as well have used various digital diaries, casio, palm etc. the last
> few years ive used the nokia communicator and the E61, they have been
> sufficient to open dispatched attachments and to be able to log and
> browse thru the net by either using WLAN or highspeed data
> connections. both have more than sufficed in my use, doing a quick
> browse online, using ssh to do minor tasks when needed and a fair
> calendar.
> the only burden ive experienced is that the devices are cumbersome on
> shape and size to hold all the time so that makes having a bluetooth
> more than appropriate.
> it was fun for a shortwhile to use the E61 with VOIP, but the fun was
> cut short and became a burden when changing hotspots, always having to
> reconnect and redial. so the VOIP and mobility didnt really server me
> untill i was making international calls. i bought some credits from
> skype to dialout but then noticed that the sound quality between any
> host in europe and australia was so lousy that i gave up on that
> fun...
> 
> still my favorite phone is the second generation Zippo which i still
> use today when i want to disconnect from the digital world, it has all
> main functions of a phone and none more, perfect! i would love the
> 8800, it just costs a fortune ;) so maybe one day but not today.
> 
> so if you want to be up to date with smart technology and not the
> ratmaze technology, then get an E61 with a bluetooth set. then you
> will become a fledged road warrior.
> 
> if its prestige you want get the communicator 9300i, it has wlan and
> you can even get it in arabic!
> 
> if its the ratmaze technology that you like, then get anything that
> you can not find at your local store.
> 
> its more of a media fuss by massive market drivers who want linux on
> phones, at the current rate they will never make the actual volume,
> reminds me of the motorola java based phone that was released years
> ago. it was a flop at birth. linux can make it to the device, but not
> necessarily as a techie device, but more of another ratmaze gadget on
> the store shelf.
> 
> regards
> BL
> 
> On 4/26/07, Edmond <edmond at greencedars.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, naim abu darwish wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I need to, well more like want to, buy a smart phone / PDA phone,
> > > something like the iMate Jamin  but i dont want to be locked with
> > > closed hardware. Also i need something that i cant break so easily.
> >
> >
> > Let me give you my honest ramble on the PDA issue. I have been a PDA
> > user for a long, long time (since the original palmpilot days). In
> > between, I have owned everything from a palm pilot to a treo, with
> > a zaurus running linux in between. While the zaurus certainly had the
> > most tech appeal (and I know a couple of you have one), as far as
> > usability it was the most lacking. Windows mobile is also lacking.
> >
> > What I'm trying to say is this: if you're buying the device to show
> > it off and to ssh to your home box, then good. But if you're buying it
> > to store and manage your personal information, keep a calendar and
> > appointments, and manage your life's data, then the devices you're
> > looking at are not ready for prime time yet. The best applications
> > (by far) that I've seen until this day are all based on the palm platform.
> > It's not open, but it works and it works well. If you can wait a bit,
> > palm just announced that they are moving to the linux platform. I can
> > see my treo running linux! But it will all depend on whether all the
> > apps will be ported or will run (emulated or not).
> >
> > my $0.02.
> >
> >
> > Also see this:
> > http://www.theage.com.au/news/phones-pdas/palm-unveils-a-new-foundation/2007/04/11/1175971136619.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >     Edmond
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